What’s so special about Apple products?

Some days ago I read on Reddit about John Resig’s setup:

Redditor : What is your development setup? (Software)

John Resig : I use OS X on an iMac with an extra monitor. For coding I use VIM in a terminal and have a screen session open to IRC in another terminal window. I then have a plethora of browsers open (Firefox, Chrome, Safari, Opera – a VMWare with IEs) for testing. That’s pretty much all that I use and need to use (I have a very similar set up on my Macbook Pro, as well).

So, John Resig actually develops on a mac. Also, down the same thread, some other redditor points out that 95% of the web conferences audience he goes to owns a MacBook or a MacBook Pro.

Well, for the last months I’ve been developing on a mac too and here’s some of the things I’ve had to deal with:

  • There is NO del key : the Macbook/Macbook Pro has no del key. That leads to an array of Hm, now delete / ack, there’s no delete / rightarrowrightarrowrightarrow / backspacebackspacebackspace, which is incredibly annoying because it completely kills the flow. Even worse, you unlearn to use the del key so when you switch back to a normal machine the tendency is to keep using the right arrow/backspace combo or (god forbid) the mouse.
  • Apple key instead of CTRL : on macs, the function that is normally accomplished by the CTRL key is instead done by the Apple (command?) key, which is located pretty much where the Win key would be on a Windows keyboard. This is annoying because it forces you to unlearn the convention which you’re used to (for no apparent good reason) but the worst thing is that the behaviour is NOT consistent from application to application, meaning that in some applications (example : nano) the CTRL key is behaving as usual and the Apple key does nothing (or does something completely unrelated to what you want to do).
  • You can’t cut a file on Finder : it seems that there is no way to cut a file and paste it somewhere else in finder. Even if there were a way to do that, there’s no keyboard shortcut for it (ctrl-x and apple-x do nothing) and there’s no mention of a cut option in the context menu. Also, since there’s no DEL key, if you want to delete a file you have to use the option in the context menu to do that.
  • Git is very slow : git commit takes an eternity to complete, for no apparent good reason. A commit which takes a second or two on my old laptop running Kubuntu or on a Windows machine will take 30-60 seconds on a Mac. Also git push is sensibly slower but not as much as git commit.
    Since it takes an eternity to commit my work, I’ve started to commit less frequently. That lead to a big loss of work on a couple of occasions.
  • Limited customization: I really don’t like the dock (that panel with all the applications icons) and I wanted to recreate something similar to what I use on Kubuntu, so one bar on the left with all the program launcher and a taskbar on the left. Turns out I can’t have a taskbar at all and the only thing I can do with the dock is to choose which side of the screen it has to be on.

On top of all this, my impression is that Apple machines are very slow compared to PCs with similar specs: a colleague of mine needed to clone a remote git repository so I’ve asked him to open a terminal – it needed a good 30 seconds for the terminal to start. On my Kubuntu laptop (which shares similar specs with my colleague’s MacBook) I can open a dozen in five seconds or so. Also, sometimes applications freeze for some seconds, again for no good apparent reason, and you have to wait until they come back up.

All in all, my experience with macs so far has been far from positive: I guess that if you’re a “normal” user you wouldn’t care one bit about all the things I pointed out but, as a programmer, I find all of this extremely annoying.

But anyway, since I have to work on iPhone/iPad applications, I thought that I could well pay a 100/200 € more for a mac machine and then dual boot linux – that way, I could both work on my mobile projects and still have linux on the same machine for everything else. I’ve wanted to change my laptop for a while now and this is what I had in mind, so I went to the online Apple Store and made myself a MacBook pro with similar specs. And I was once again surprised at the outcome:

The ACER AS594, my original choice – € 749.99

A MacBook Pro with similar hardware – € 2.149,00

That’s almost 3 times the price. John Resig thinks it’s worth it. 95% of web developers think it’s worth it. Do you? If so, would you please tell me why? Because, in all honesty, I don’t understand what’s so special about Apple products.

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39 comments

  1. biju · May 8, 2011

    Linux on mac is a lie. There are far too many issues like broken EFI-GPT, video, sound with headphones and digital out, sane wireless drivers etc ….. grr

    You want native linux (why? UI blows), get a Thinkpad, Acer or a non-optimus Dell. Add bucket load of memory and run linux on a VM with sshfs, git-server and Putty. Best of both worlds (?)

    • andreadallera · May 8, 2011

      My problem is that I *need* to use MACOSX since I have to develop mobile applications for iPhone and iPad. I can’t practically do that on anything else but a mac, otherwise I won’t even consider buying one.

  2. Jan Klausa · May 8, 2011

    As for the first one – there’s this wonderful program called KeyRemap4MacBook, that’ll let you remap your eject key for delete.

    You can also swap command/alt/control in bare OS X, under ‘Keyboard’ in Preferences.

    • andreadallera · May 8, 2011

      Yep I know, but why should I need to do that? I found myself doing all kind of key remapping and using 3rd party plugins for managing running app (still I can’t get rid of the dock)…

      I just wonder why somebody developing, for example, on RoR should *willingly* choose a mac as their dev machine…

  3. chris · May 8, 2011

    Just a heads up – fn+delete is delete when editing text and cmd + delete in finder deletes that file.

    • andreadallera · May 8, 2011

      Yep but it still completely break what I’ve learnt in years of typing.

  4. Ivan · May 8, 2011

    Same here, thinking of switching from Acer after 5 years and 3 laptops – mainly because the build quality is horrible and they keep dying on me after 18 months of use.

    What I like about MacBook Pro is it doesn’t feel as huge or cheap as “PC” laptops and the battery life is great. Sure I could get an X1 but it costs the same as an MBP but again – it doesn’t feel as solid.

  5. ddaymace · May 8, 2011

    I’m platform agnostic personally, I use a thinkpad, macbookpro and vm linux. However, I would like to see some proof of your claim that git is that much slower on mac. In my experience using git from the osx terminal I get roughly the same speed as when I use it on windows or fedora.

    I find the mac to be very fast; I use it for a bunch of reasons: unix on a stable, userfriendly commercial os, build/enclosure quality, ui minimalism, design, build quality, display quality and color accuracy, font rendering, no registry, no dlls, better app install/uninstall methods, (last 3 are vs windows – linux package managers are awesome)

    • andreadallera · May 9, 2011

      Since so many people pointed that out, I made a small test on a ~190Mb folder, doing:

      git init

      git add .

      git commit -am “first commit”

      on the Mac Mini I’m using, around 50 seconds, on my kubuntu laptop around 15 seconds. Maybe it’s just the Mac Mini? I’ve seen this problem on all my colleagues’ MacBook pros anyway. It gets much worse on smaller commit, since the overhead doesn’t seem to go away:

      touch myfile

      git add .

      git commit -am “touch”

      around 30 seconds on the mac, instantaneous on
      my laptop

  6. Brad · May 8, 2011

    CMD-Delete will delete a file that is highlighted in the Finder

    The CMD key is used for pretty much every Mac application – and the shortcuts are consistent across the board. Some Unix applications (i.e. nano) use the CTRL key instead, but that’s not really an inconsistency.

    It seems like most of your complaints are that things aren’t done the way that you are used to doing them — maybe a few more months and you will adapt … worked for me. (Can’t comment about the Git performance as I don’t use it currently)

  7. Jonas B. · May 8, 2011

    I stick to Thinkpads. They just work with Linux, (hibernation, sound, graphics) at least if you get one with Intel graphics. They’re also well built physically (as Macs are).

    I wouldn’t touch Acer. Who knows what chipset you get this week, and then there you are swearing over resume hangs. Also they’re creaky plastic stuff.

    I tried Mac OS X for a couple of months, but I just couldn’t do it. It’s almost as good as real Linux, but why do that extra work to get a Unix environment you actually can work in? Especially if you’re delopying on Linux in the end.

  8. Kent · May 8, 2011

    The reason is simple: design vs. specs.

    The other PC vendors are all fighting a losing battle in terms of ‘good’ machines. It’s all about a race to the bottom. Sure, Acer ships more computer than Apple (although, I think Apple just beat them last quarter or something like that), but they make less on each machine and thusly, have less to re-invest in the next generation.

    If you have an Acer or Dell or HP machine in your hand, you’re holding a plastic piece of junk that will not be worth 1/2 of what you bought it for in 6 months. However, my girlfriends MacBook Pro from two years ago still retains its value.

    When Apple went unibody on their designs, it changed everything in laptops, in my mind. There are no creaks when doing anything with the machine – opening the lid, leaning on it a bit, whatever. It’s solid. And since last year was the year I converted to SSD on all my machines, my Air is silent.

    Now, when I work, I want my tools to get out of my way so I can, well, focus on work. I don’t want blinking lights, I don’t want to look at something cheaply made with plastic, etc. I want to sit at/with something that is beautiful and that I know has been well thought out when designed. When I’m using something beautiful to do something else, the task at hand is the only thing that matters in my mind and I enjoy doing it. I am not fighting with anything else but my task (maybe).

    This also extends to software. If you ever user the tools to develop for iOS and then try the equivalent to do Android, then the contrast is even starker. Android and the PC world are all about specs and throwing things together while Apple is all about unification and experience.

    Lastly, Linux. I will not use anything else but Linux on the server. I’ve done so for over a decade and probably will for a long time. However, I’m over (and have been for some time) Linux on the desktop. The Linux kernel has been shown to be faster than BSD/Mach, no doubt. But the desktop still is not good in my mind. The fonts, ui widgets, etc, etc – it’s just not anywhere near as polished as OS X.

    So day in and day out, I use Macs and only all day for development (at home and office). Server, Linux only. Best of both worlds in my mind. Windows, never.

  9. mileszs · May 8, 2011

    About a year ago, I switched from a speedy PC laptop running Ubuntu (with fluxbox as the ‘front-end’ — everything else was too bulky for me) to a MacBook Pro (provided by my employer, at the time). I can’t see ever switching back. The ‘Del’ thing annoyed me until I realized Fn + Backspace does the same, and I’m so accustomed to using, say, Ctrl-[ for escape in Vim that Fn+Backspace doesn’t seem so bad. I’m curious about your complaint about the Apple key. I feel like most applications are pretty consistent with their keyboard shortcuts — much more so than anything on any Linux box. The fact that most things just work, without my searching around for a config file and learning a new config file syntax, etc, is great. I also haven’t noticed the issues with git being slow that you have. (In fact, I’d say you should take a look at that. It doesn’t seem normal. I’ve not seen this “Macs are so slow!” phenomenon.

    As to customization, well… yeah. If you truly enjoy all the tinkering you can do on a Linux machine, than there’s no shame to sticking with a Linux machine. In fact, that’s probably a good thing for your checking account. I am personally glad to not be tinkering with my environment much anymore.

    It sounds like you didn’t really want to switch, and are looking for things to criticize — not that there’s anything wrong with that. I don’t see anything wrong preferring a Linux system. If the Mac is driving you nuts, switch back! As to why others like it, it’s a combination of not having the same problems, not having the same preferences, and being willing to retrain our fingers.

    • andreadallera · May 8, 2011

      If the Mac is driving you nuts, switch back!

      Well, I can’t: iOS development happens on the mac.

  10. Aljosa Mohorovic · May 8, 2011

    basically, it’s all about support that enables you to start using a product immediately.

    when you buy an apple product you get the best hardware/software integration. it works.
    i’m a linux user ~13 years and i never bought a new hardware that immediately worked, it usually takes couple of months or even a year to get everything working.
    real life example is imac i bought, installed linux and it took ~6 months to get all the hardware working.
    hardware is working now but osx still has better drivers, especially for graphics.

    that said, i find it easier to develop under linux but that is just probably because i’ve been using it for a long time.
    i find it strange that there is no hardware manufacturer that focuses on linux, i would actually pay a mac price just to get the same support.

    • andreadallera · May 8, 2011

      If you’ve never tried it, you should give Ubuntu/Kubuntu a try. With Kubuntu 10.10, I can just install it from a flashdrive and everything (audio, video, wireless, whatever) works out of the box.

      I’ve started using ubuntu when 7.10 was out and yes, I know what you’re talking about – it was a real pain to make it run on a laptop decently. Now things have changed a lot… It is really ready to use after install, no tweaking with X11 or ndiswrapper or whatever.

  11. Martin · May 8, 2011

    One of the things that Apple tends to get away with is that they tend to have a community of more ‘competent’ users. People claiming that they don’t see slow-downs as their OSX installation ages is true, because they know how to handle a computer. This isn’t true for all Mac users, I have seen many a Mac user (the ones that are not so tech savvy) have their systems drag, and seem rather useless, even to them as time goes on.

    When I install Windows, and my friends who are in Comp-Sci with me run Windows, we just the same don’t experience big slow downs. When we install software we’re always sure to uncheck the additional installation of that crappy toolbar that noone really wants. We also know to uninstall anything that we don’t want anymore. We don’t click on ominous links online, and we don’t try to download “awesomeMovie.avi.exe”. Simple things like this keep the system running smoothly.

    I’m a Linux man through and through, I run Linux desktop religiously because it does everything I want it to, exactly how I want it to, and if it doesn’t, there’s very little that a bash script won’t handle for me. It’s a steep learning curve, but it works for *me*.

    Basically the Mac evangelists ‘know how to run OSX’ such that it runs well for them. Windows evangelists are just the same, they know how to do it so that it runs well for them. I am in a much bigger version of the same boat, no average user wants to be attaching bash scripts to everything (but I *do*) and they would have to know some specialised stuff just to get their system to do anything more than email and web browsing.

    Mac users have the opportunity to separate themselves since they’re a minority, and be proud of the fact that they can feel like they’re in an elite group. I am the same with Linux, I proudly feel a sense of adeptness when I tell people I’m a Linux user, and judge people who run Linux as being more knowledgeable, because of the challenges (and potential gains) it holds. Mac users however, seem to just be happy and proud of each other for being ‘smart enough to choose a Mac’.

    So the point is, since the larger number of Mac lovers know what they’re doing, it creates a slanted view of their OS as being ‘better’ or ‘more usable’. I’ve seen my mother try to use a Mac, she struggles on Windows and she’s equally lost on OSX, I know a few arts and science students that are much the same.

    I do truly believe that Mac users are happier with their purchases than PC users. It’s just the same for anyone who pays the higher price tag, and as a result feels like they got the better product.

  12. Ugh... · May 8, 2011

    You are not the target market.

    If you don’t like it, don’t buy it. Get a life.

  13. andreadallera · May 8, 2011

    Dude. Of course I don’t want to buy it. Problem is, I *have* to use it for development, so until they open their platform it’s impossible for me to develop iOS apps on anything else but MACOSX. I’ve explained it in the article, probably you didn’t even read it.

  14. anon · May 8, 2011

    How big is your git repository and how many files are in it?

    I just did a test. I grabbed a Linux kernel git repository, and repeatedly made minor modifications to 100 files chosen at random (a different selection each time), added them and committed them. This consistently took under a second wall time.

    With 1000 files changed per commit, it was about 5 seconds.

    10000 files drives the commit time up to around 40 seconds.

  15. Paul Neave · May 8, 2011

    Cmd (⌘) + Backspace = Delete

    or

    Ctrl + D

    if you prefer.

  16. Paul Neave · May 8, 2011

    Actually, that’s wrong! It’s

    Fn + Backspace = Delete.

    Still, there’s a delete key, that’s my point 🙂

  17. Alfred · May 8, 2011

    I read:

    “Hey, I am forced to use a Mac and tried really hard now for a week and I do not (and do not want to) understand what is the deal about Apple – just wanted to let you know!”

    As a previous commenter said, a Mac lets you concentrate on your work. That is really the overall feeling I have as well.

    You are just hating because you are unable to recognize a great product.

    • andreadallera · May 8, 2011

      I’ve been working with macs for almost 3 months now. I used to develop on linux on a regular basis and the difference between the two systems is huge.

      If you’re a regular user, probably you’d like macosx better. I’m not arguing about that. What I don’t understand is how a *programmer* would like to work on macosx better than on a linux distro (ubuntu, debian, you pick).

      macosx does *not* let me concentrate on my work, and I’ve explained why. My question was how do other programmers like me deal with all the annoyances about macosx and, especially, why they chose to deal with them on the first place. At thrice the price.

      I’m not just hating because I can’t recognize a great product… at least give me that. I know apple fanboys have reason that transcend logic but please gimme a break.

      • Alfred · May 9, 2011

        You are, of course, free to dislike OS X or to prefer Linux.

        But your arguments against it are mostly vague and laughable. A git commit command is taking 60 times longer than on Linux? Do you *really* think that this is generally true?

        Opening a Terminal takes 30 seconds? Do you *really* think that this is generally true?

        It is your subjective impression that there are a lot of crashes (“I saw it on a colleagues machine”) and it is generally slow compared to same hardware specs? Where are your benchmarks stating that this is true?

        Now gimme a break. Giving arguments in this way just makes you look very stupid.

        What remains of your arguments is either wrong (delete key and finder delete) or simply is a matter of adoption (there may be no cut, but you can move files around by drag’n drop) which you do not have to like but it is a matter of taste in the end and you cannot blame others to like it.

        So what is your point. You have none. It seems that you are just an “Angry Nerd”…

        • andreadallera · May 9, 2011

          You’re the only one who’s angry here. I’ve been working on linux for a while and, from a programmer’s perspective, I find it so much better – open, customizable, not to mention free. I just wanted to understand why a programmer, given the choice, should go for a product which in my opinion is insanely expensive for no added benefit.

          • Alfred · May 9, 2011

            But it occurs to you that there can be more than one opinion and that others are just fine with the way OS X works for them?

            And my point is that you have no point other than that you miss cut and you do not like the dock, which is fine but is no point.

            I would prefer Linux over Windows for development anytime, but also OS X over Linux anytime.

            Why? Because OS X is like Linux but in beautiful. It is also stable, reliable and fast. It has lots of great apps for everything, integrated backup solution, great multimedia support, great simple working integration with other devices (iPhone, iPad, iTV) and services, no hardware driver hassle, solid valuable hardware, consistent product line upgrades, easy updates… it just fucking works.

            I never spent less time maintaining and administering my computer than with OS X. I used Linux Debian and Ubuntu Desktop for years and also Windows up until Vista.

            OS X is like… fuck you, I just want a fucking operating system that just fucking works.

            And for all of that, I am happily paying more money.

            • andreadallera · May 9, 2011

              Have you tried ubuntu recently? After install, I (your mileage can vary) don’t have to do any configuration to make the machine work as I want it to do. I had problems, lots of them, with early versions (7,8) but from 9 onwards it just works after install, no drivers to install or whatever.

              Also, I know it’s a matter of taste but Kubuntu (KDE 4.5) looks very very good. Much better than macosx in my opinion. It’s debatable but I really don’t think you can say linux is ugly nowadays. On top of that, you can make it look exactly like macosx if you want to.

              The only thing I miss on linux is a good image editing software… gimp is not as good as photoshop. But I don’t really need that. Everything else just works faster and is way more customizable.

              Again, if it was about a couple of hundred euros more, I could understand why so many people seem to prefer macs over linux pcs. But for 3 times the price? Pardon me but I don’t understand at all.

  18. Peter Hamilton · May 8, 2011

    I use a Macbook Air 11″ for everything, but am probably going to switch to an iMac 27″.

    Here are my reasons for each system:

    Macbook Air:

    Ultra portable. I haven’t seen another machine (under $1000) that is as lightweight yet functional as a macbook air. Most Netbooks have too low a screen resolution to be useful. The ULV C2D cpu is quick enough, especially since the machine has an SSD.

    The keyboard is full size (same size as other apple keyboards).

    The touchpad is fantastic. I’ve used far too many crappy touchpads over the years.

    The graphics card can drive a dual link dvi 2560×1600 display. Most laptops can’t do that. No other ultra portable laptops can (As far as I can tell).

    The battery life is great. Not just on the Air, but all mac laptops get fantastic battery. 7 hours is realistic on my air, and the macbook pros as well.

    The iMac:

    Starting at $1699, I would say it’s underpriced. The monitor alone costs $999. That’s normal cost for an IPS monitor, if not a little cheaper than the competition (Dell’s 27 inch IPS goes for $1099).

    Add in a wireless keyboard and mouse, sandy bridge quad core i5, 4 GB DDR3 Ram, 1 TB 7200 HDD, DVD burner, etc. and you would have to look long and hard for an equivalent machine for under 700 bucks.

    As far as OSX goes, I’m a long time linux user. Vim and the command line are where I get all my work done. Some things are different, sure, but you get used to them.

    But when I take a break from work, it’s nice to watch netflix. It’s nice to have software available if I need it (most software these days comes in windows and mac varieties). It’s nice to plug in an external drive and the system does an automatic backup to Time Machine. It’s even nicer to upgrade my hard drive and restore that backup without any problems. Yes, I could do it with dd and/or rsync, but I don’t have to.

    That’s why I like OS X. It’s not perfect, but it makes up for its shortcomings. Apple hardware is fantastic. OS X gives me a well supported Unix environment with access to polished commercial software. And it looks good.

  19. Augusto Triste · May 9, 2011

    I also switched from a PC to Mac and at the beginning was also pist off with some of the changes, you get used to soon, just Google: Mac keyboard shortcuts and you will find 99.9% the things you use to do on Windows you can do on a Mac, you can’t compare a Windows Laptop to a Mac, especially the trackpad that is almost useless in almost all Windows laptops, you don have to format Macs like you do on Windows and you don’t see a blue screen of death ever, just for those two reasons it’s worth the price tag.

    • andreadallera · May 9, 2011

      I’m not talking about windows at all here.

  20. E S Lim · May 9, 2011

    The Acer is 3.3kg, the MacBook Pro is 2.54kg. It’s quite a big difference if you carry them around. The price difference would be much less if you were to find a laptop with similar specs and weight. In fact, I would speculate that you would struggle to find something that has good battery life (on the Mac OS. Linux has shorter battery life on the same hardware) and weighs that little too.

    (I don’t own a Mac, and I don’t really like the Mac OS X; but did sales for Apple laptops before.)

    • andreadallera · May 9, 2011

      I don’t really know but I find it surprising that so many people are willing to pay more than double the price for a 0.8kg difference in weight. About battery life, my crappy old laptop can still run for more than 4 hours under linux…

  21. Ray · June 4, 2011

    I gotta agree with everything andreadallera states. Most of the people on here have made nothing but ignorant comments about his statement. The truth of the matter is that Apple should allow ios to be editable on different OS. Isn’t the whole platform of Apple is to make peoples lives easier? I believe its to charge people ridiculous prices on avg pc’s. There is nothing special about the hardware from a mac to a pc. I’m a Windows 7 user, also learning Linux fedora off a live distro. I’m impressed how fast it works. So what if the guy prefers Linux, I prefer Windows but I try to be opened minded. I’m just so sick of the “glamour” talk about mac’s to make it sound better. If this dude was to ask Steve jobs this question he would have a ignorant arrogant statement. So please don’t act like Steve jobs about his question.

  22. Ara Centris · June 9, 2011

    Interesting you use a MAC BookPro for some months and then compare it with an Acer…

    • andreadallera · June 9, 2011

      And then what happens? You might have accidentally a word there.

  23. joeri · February 21, 2012

    All your points are as valid as somebody trying to change ubuntu into a mac.

    1. There is no del key?
    How did you get your cursor in front of your mistakes anyway? Did you notice them to late, or what happend there? Normal people do typewriter corrections on their text.

    2. “the function that is normally accomplished by the CTRL key”
    ‘Normally’ as in you first met the wrong key. Next you are going to say that ctrl-v is intuitive.

    3. Yes you can cut & paste a file with shortcuts, and yes you can send a file to the Trashbin with a shortcut. No I’m not going to tell you which they are.
    But youre “get your facts straight” rants in other of your posts render pretty worthless by a post as this one.

    “Yep but it still completely break what I’ve learnt in years of typing.”
    Geez. I’ve been so long on heroin, why would anybody want to be without. … right.

    4. “Git is very slow”
    Never had trouble with it.

    5. “Limited customization”
    Well. Again, you want to make a 2cv out of a Cadillac and then complain you can’t. What’s to comment about that?

    My terminal opens in 1 second. And another 1/2 to show the prompt.
    Your friend needs to add an extra Gb of memory and his terminal will open in 1 sec.
    Same goes for you Ubuntu. Just give it no memory and it will start swapping your time away. Memory costs the same for Apple as for Acer.

    You don’t like your magnetic power cord?
    You don’t like your lit keyboard?
    You dont like that your mouse / keyboard connects with bluethooth?
    You don’t like your (multi) touchpad on your mouse?
    You don’t like your iTunes/cloud connection with your phone works out of the box?
    You don’t like your music out of your airplay Zeppelin?
    You don’t like that your airport needs 0 setup for a WPA2 connection?
    You don’t like your macbook can be a firewire disk on boot if the boot might fail?
    You don’t like bonjour connecting to all your printers, scanners and other devices without any setup?

    Well I do.
    And I run any other OS as virtual machine in VMware fusion, even the dos CDi emulator.

    Beats the hell out of the 10 minutes boot time of any Linux dist I tried, and I tried a lot of them. With all formatting, and “can’t find drivers for your wifi” hell.
    Sorry, I don’t know what VEGA I will use for your 1280×960 screen, I found this 320×256 driver… crap.
    Never going back.

    Man. I think you’re just a little lazy complaining that the french speak so bad English, and with that try to convince yourself that the french don’t know how to cook.
    When in fact it’s you who speak bad french and don’t know what good food taste like as you’ve been eating mcDonalds for far too long.

    My problem is that you want to develop for a platform that you don’t want to show respect for. Why would the owners of that platform have any benefit in that?
    As for one thing it only shows how smart that decision is.

    I surely don’t need you developing apps for me to use, as you clearly show that you have no idea what I’m about.

    It’s like you making a bike for me, but you think motorcycles are better.
    See how that is a bad idea? Think Different is not just a slogan.

    • andreadallera · February 21, 2012

      Whoa.

      How did you get your cursor in front of your mistakes anyway? Did you notice them to late, or what happend there? Normal people do typewriter corrections on their text.

      I don’t know, honestly, why do I find myself needing a DEL key. Does it matter? I want it, it’s not there.
      I’m not talking about “normal” people (users) here, I’m talking about programmers. When I program (and, if I’m doing that on a mac 99% of the times I’m working on XCode) I need a DEL key.

      Yes you can cut & paste a file with shortcuts, and yes you can send a file to the Trashbin with a shortcut. No I’m not going to tell you which they are.
      But youre “get your facts straight” rants in other of your posts render pretty worthless by a post as this one.

      Google tells me that they’ve add a shortcut for cut and paste in Lion. Good thing. Lion wasn’t out when I wrote this, though.

      About Apple breaking conventions with cmd swapped for ctrl: it’s all about that – conventions. Think about if tomorrow you were to wake up and all stoplights’ colours were inverted. Now the guys who’ve done that might come up with an array of reasons why it’s better to have green for “stop” but it doesn’t change the fact that it’s going to be quite a pain in the ass for you to deal with that. If you change conventions, you better have a damn good reason to do that – I don’t see that reason, personally.

      Well. Again, you want to make a 2cv out of a Cadillac and then complain you can’t. What’s to comment about that?

      Saying that, at the same price level, a mac is more powerful than its assembled PC counterpart is simply wrong – there’s just no room for discussion about that. A mac looks cooler and it’s got plenty of gimmicky stuff but I don’t care how it looks and I don’t care about gimmicks – I just want a fast, responsive machine.

      Memory costs the same for Apple as for Acer.

      Seriously? Check the prices at your favourite retailer, online or not.

      You don’t like… [SNIP] Well I do

      Good for you, I’ll certainly not be the one stopping you from buying Apple products. I just wish *I* didn’t have to buy them.

      About the Linux bashing that follows… you should try a newer distro like Ubuntu 11.10. Configures everything by itself and, on my 600eur laptop, boots in literally 3 seconds after BIOS and GRUB.

  24. learst · November 27, 2012

    I’m not a programmer yet, but trying to be one. I started with Windows, then tried Linux and prefer Linux. Now I’m using a macbook cos it’s company policy, and I’ve to say I’m not liking it and most of the grouses here are similar to andreas (delete key etc). I’ve not noticed bout the gitcommit thing, but few other things that annoy me:
    1. Clicking + do not maximise to whole screen. Yes, sometimes I like to view documents in 150% but apple thinks that using half screen to view documents in 100% is the “best” for me.
    2. Trying to connect to a remote server requires some hacks and finally i just used Macfusion. (compared to Ubuntu where you just select “Connect to server” from a dropdown menu in any folder).
    3. F2 does not function as rename, and pressing enter does not open a file/folder.
    4. Folder manager layout – can’t show previews of images, can’t open another folder in tabs, and other folder manager constrains.

    While i think that design and build quality wise mac is better, I cannot grasp the concept that Mac “works” better. Folks keep telling me that “oh you’ll get used to it”. But why should I? Why must it be so difficult for me to do simple task seeing as Apple tend to justify the premium price of its product due to the “ease of use”. The various suggestions/hacks suggested by the folks here, doesn’t that remind you of “linux” and how various hacks are usually suggested to get that functionality in windows? Why are we paying a premium for Mac over Linux when we have to face the same thing??! When I switch to Linux from windows, there wasn’t a big functionality gap, but I do have to learn a lot of things like how to install items from apt etc but basic functionality remains the same.

    To andreas, I think both of us unfortunately are i the minority. Folks in IT and programming also seems to love the Mac – the only answers I’ve gotten from them so far are how they love the interface (which “looks” nice, I admit but again.. functionality fail), good touchpad gestures (I actually agree on this, but then I always prefer to use a mouse than touchpad), and that most things just work (I seriously wonder bout this, as I seem to experience the spinning wheel very often and “encounters a problem” as frequently as Windows and Linux). I think perhaps using the term “Mac” evangelists is appropriate, as the OS wars seem to divide people into camps with the Mac evangelists believing theirs is the best, “just because”.

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